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           Gracias España!           Gotovina case: Is arrest of Mladic following?                                                                                                                                           Slučaj Gotovina: Sljedi li hapšenje Mladića?

Tuesday,
December 13, 2005
Gracias Espana!
 
 

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Petak
09.12.2005.
Gracias España!
 

Text was published on 45 lines on 9th December 2005

 Gracias España!

 

Till recent, 90 per cent of viewers of TV shows in which was debated about Gotovina and Haag, were declaring that they didn't believe that he was in Croatia. Last night 36 per cent of the viewers of the show Otvoreno voted for not believing that Ante Gotovina was in Croatia till September of this year.

Carla Del Ponte and Ivo Sanader

It seems that public opinion matures. That is, as the people on example of 14 years long silence about sacrificing of Vukovar, realised that it is no wort of waitinig too long to find out the truth.

Petar Stefanic set right referendum question, and better for him would be that he didn't get bigger scor for those who believe that Gotovina till September was hiding in Croatia, because he might at the beginning of his career as a TV anchor live through destiny of his forerunner Tihomir Ladisic.

The motive for that question was the statement of Carla Del Ponte in Belgrade:

"Since October we stated that we cooperate with Croatia completely and we worked on locating him all the time. But, we couldn't say at the beginning of October what we were doing then, because we wanted Gotovina to be arrested. We can reveal that now", said Del Ponte to the press in Belgrade.

"First we determined that he was no longer in Croatia. Not since September of this year. We located him on Canaries. We had to locate exactly where he was and do everything to arrest him. We cooperated with Spain and Croatia, and of course, we have the result", explained the prosecutor...

And before September, Tomislav Karamarko and Mladen Bajic were convincing CarlaDel Ponte that Gotovina was in Italy, because there were founded his trousers and some journals with texts about him.

Post was published on 1st June 2005, at 10:49 hours.

Did Gotovina after intercourse threw his trousers to carabineers?

As the news from Italy were presented to us till now – that Italian police in chase after some criminal found texts from net about Gotovina (I hope it includes texts from 45 lines) and trousers (in Vecernji list is suggested those were Gotovina's trousers) – all is left to is to conclude that Italian policemen ran on Gotovina, directly after, and maybe in the middle of love act, disturbed him and upseted him, so he threw through window evidences against himself. It seems that to legendary lover, as he was described by Nenad Ivankovic and  Ivan Aralica consider him as one, got loosen up his legionary concentracion (which was once time praised by Racan's deputy on position of Prime Minister, Goran Granic). He let because of his anger of being  hampered in Holy Croatian Duty (F...  everybody, all on the list. Serbian Duty is holding on to the list.) to be revealed that he was hiding in Italy, what suggested a long time ago Franjo Turek, and not in Croatia, as persistently claims Carla Del Ponte.

All right, it will go in favour of Mesic, Sanader and Karamarko who will with relief conclude that is no one reason now not to get the date for negotiations (with EU) and that three of them by this are cleaned from every doubt for helping Gotovina in hiding, in way that they don't chase him, that is, not forcing others to chase him.

But I'm not sure completely that Italian secret sevices, police, in other words, autorities in general, would stand with crossed hands while Ante Gotovina across The Boot is fucking crisscross, that is, instead of him – caught his hot pants.

Whatever we think about Italians, let us not underestimate them so much.

If you drop down their stadium Lazio, maybe because of business panic they wouldn't notice that. But  some Sclav from eastern side of Adriatic Sea to fuck all by the list, that would they, as the greatest lovers on Mediterranean, and wider, would stop in shorter time then they need to drop down their own government.

And here what Carla Del Ponte has declared one day later, before Mladen Bajic presented her "strong evidences" that Gotovina is in Italy, at that time still of the fugitive, pants:

MAIN HAAG'S PROSECUTOR CARLA DEL PONTE IN VISIT IN CROATIA

2nd June – Prime Minister Ivo Sanader met a little earlier than 17 hours in Baski dvori with main Haag's prosecutor Carla Del Ponte, who is staying in working visit in Croatia on the eve of giving regular report to Security Council of UN on 13th June.

After the meeting there is held shared press conference, and main Haag's prosecutor Carla Del Ponte declared in Zagreb that she will the Security Council of UN inform that Croatia with its Action plan completely is dedicated to arrest fugitive general Ante Gotovina and expressed expectation that it wouls be done, but also added that is too soon to say there is full cooperation with ICTY. With Action plan Croatia is fully dedicated to find and arrest Gotovina, and I expect to do that, or to prove that all is done to arrest him. That would be reported to Security Council of UN on 13th June, said Del Ponte.

All participants of that meeting, and Hidajet Biscevic, surely remember that Carla rolled her eyes while Bajic was telling he about pants and that she interrupt him with a sentence: Contact me if  you have something more serious.

At that time Minister Vesna Skare Ozbolt from circles close to chief of POA Tomislav Karamarko and Main State Attorney Mladen Bajic, was declared as weak chain in Action plan. She was ascribed responsibility for leaking of confidential informations about Petrac and Gotovina in public. It was predicted that Ivo Sanader would throw out Skare Ozbolt from the Government as soon as local elections finish.

Today Vesna Skare Ozbolt, after they stop to blame her for leaking of confidential informations and not throwing her out of the Government, but imputing her that she will drown DC in HDZ, what is else Sanader's demand towards her, talks in HTV show Otvoreno that Carla Del Ponte to Croatian autorities always was giving wrong informations about Gotovina's residences in Croatia and that Cratian autorities always fully cooperated with Haag and other stuff.

And Hido Biscevic, deputy of Minister of foreign affairs and European integrations, noticed that Gotovina's arrest in Spain is a proof that Croatia was cooperating and that after escape in 2001. he was not in Croatia.

Even President Mesic in his announcement of one sentence only stated that "this is proof that Gotovina wasn't in Croatia".

After this I can only think that it  is a pity that some politicians didn't start to work in circus prestidigitation. At least they would earn for living in more honourable way.

Minister of Justice Vesna Skare Ozbolt confirmed to Gordan Malic that on Memorandum of former chief of POA, Franjo Turek, about spreaders of disinformations that Gotovina is in Croatia, but that POA is not chasing him, she saw photos of journalists and ICTY investigators.

Minister's party, Democratic center was among first which supported journalist demand for Parliamentary investigation which confirmed journsalists' justified doubt that FranjoTurek slandered them. He slandered me in way that he claimed that I am spreading information that Gotovina in 2003 was on area of middle Adriatic Sea. Namely, Gotovina was there, so Parliamentary Council concluded that my text was true. That knpws well also Ante Markov , previous President of Parliamentary Council which in June 2003. declared that Croatian secret services are in connection with Ante Gotovina.

So about what earlier, before September of this year, Croatian cooperation with Carla Del Ponte in Ante Gotovina case, talk Vesna Skare Ozbolt, Hidajet Biscevic, Stjepan Mesic, Vladimir Seks...?

For now I don't have enough relevant informations by which I could reconstruct the real cooperation between Karamarko and Bajic with Carla Del Ponte since September of this year...

I have a good hunch that the key of enigma how it get to Gotovina's arrest lies in model by which the same in account of Ivo Sanader managed to persuade Gotovina to leave at the end of August Croatia and B&H.

Even Ivan Zvonimir Cicak, self-proclaimed friend of Carla Del Ponte, at the beginning of the year wrote about the plan that Croatian authorities don't intend to arrest Gotovina, but on fraud to force him to go to neighbouring B&H, and then to alarm forces of EUFOR to arrest him by helicopter landing.

By my preliminary informations Gotovina on Canaries didn't stayed with fake Croatian passport on name Kristijan Horvat , but he used the passport of The Sovereign Military Order of Malta. Fake or not, I do not know. That he left Croatia with passport about which reported already all world media, is totaly impossible story, only if by agreement with Croatian authorities nobody, neither by chance, could ask for his legitimations. If he was using passport on name of Kristijan Horvat in Spain, he would show himself as totaly stupid and imature, at least for average image of former legionnaire. He couldn't count on that Croatian authorities would protect him in Spain. He could only count that they wouldn't rat on him to Spanish, what appeared to be the truth at the end. But he obviously didn't count on that. Disappointment and humiliation are the main features of his character with handcuffs on his hands. Disappointment because he was betrayed by those who were protecting him and humiliation of soldier, because the point of his escape in great part was absorbing from belief that his myth of invincible warrior would collapse as soon as he is seen with handcuffs on his hands.

By my conception only the thief should be affraid of handcuffs. The warrior even with handcuffs on his hand can hold with dignity.

It is interesting that Gotovina, although he could do that, in first 24 hours of arrestment, didn't call by phone none of his lawyers, not even to his wife. He called from Madrid one his friend and asked him to look for some other lawyers.

By informations that 45 lines has at disposal, chief of POA Tomislav Karamarko even at the beginning of summer started to meet with Ivo Farcic from Gotovina's defender's team. Farcic was engaged by Dunja Zloic Gotovina.

Maybe some of these illogicality and coincidences, if a bit more light would be put on it, can give answer on question how Gotovina found himself on Canaries, and from it, across Madrid, flew to Haag.

Prime Minister Ivo Sanader and intelligence magus Tomislav Karamarko parallelly to delivering of Gotovina to Haag played for domestic audience. Globus in Wednesday published a text about mentioned preparations of assassination on Sanader. Igor Alborghetti and Mark Cigoj mentioned names of three former secret agents: Ivan Mihaljevic, Josko Buljan and Radovan Palmovic, who got fired because they were under suspicion for being connected with group around Z.M. (Zoni Maksan) which namely in 2004 was preparing assassination on Ivo Sanader.

This Globus's discovery should serve as a legitimation to Sanader that he as Racan found himself in front of possibility to be killed because he dared to touch in Gotovina's logistics net, and he unlike Racan, made possible Gotovina's arrest.

The story by which Globus wants to cover Sanader, Podbevsek and Karamarko is a bit porous, because also Damir Jukica, who namely the information of preparation of assassination on Sanader gave to Josko Podbevsek, has thrown out of  POA.

If there was some serious involvement of mentioned three man in planning of assassination, they probably would be left in the system longer untill they set all details of the plan and all planners to put in prison, and not only some of them, less important, move away from the job.

What is the funniest thing, about cases Buljan and Palmovic, who asked for protection from Council for internal politics and national security, because of doubts that they were close with some persons for whom is doubted to belong to so called Gotovina's circle, they were fired, wrote a few months ago Hrvatski list.

Would some serious participants of assassination conspiracy against Prime Minister, and who were till now almost totaly unknown, dared to go out in public with their story, before they are proclamed?

I think they wouldn't here!

Our politicians can sell fog as "wolf full and kids whole" - as they solve the question of Gotovina, and that they didn't arrest him themselves, and that he since assumed  escape at all wasn't here, but that some circles wanted to kill Sanader, and now wouldn't be right to held public protest for Gotovina , although Sanader was appearing on similar meetings from which openly was threated by heath to Mesic and Racan, but now when Carla Del Ponte has in custody, the most handsome of her three the biggest fugitive beasts, no one stopps her to talk about deal with Croatia about positive thinking for starting negotiations with EU. Especially, because Croatian holders of authority blamed her for not being yet, almost  when Slovenia, accepted in EU.


 

Subota, 10. prosinac 2005.

Tema tjedna:

Slučaj Gotovina: Sledi li hapšenje Mladića?    

Ante Gotovina

Srđan KUSOVAC

Zašto je Ante Gotovina uhapšen baš sada? Šta je tome prethodilo? Jesu li operaciju pripremale zajedno obaveštajne službe više zemalja uključujući i hrvatsku? Da li je sada realno očekivati jačanje pritiska na Srbiju? Zašto bi Srbiji sada moglo odgovarati hapšenje Ratka Mladića? Je li moguće na osnovu nekih spoljnih znakova i signala predvideti eventualne predstojeće operacije?...

Željko Peratović je hrvatski novinar koji već godinama prati rad obaveštajne zajednice u svojoj zemlji. Zbog toga što nije imao dlake na jeziku ili zato što je objavljivao ono što nije bilo uputno objaviti svojevremeno je izgubio posao u državnom "Vjesniku".

Peratović kaže Radiju "Slobodna Evropa" da smatra da je upravo tokom septembra Anti Gotovini sugerisano da napusti Hrvatsku i da su to učinili šef Protuobavještajne službe (POA) Tomislav Karamarko i glavni državni tužilac Hrvatske Mladen Bajić.

PERATOVIĆ:
Ja na sljedeći način rekonstruiram ove posljednje događaje:
Obzirom da je i ranije, još početkom godine, bilo najava da bi Hrvatska trebala poduzeti uklanjanje generala Gotovine iz Hrvatske, na neki način ga nagovoriti ili natjerati da napusti teritorij Hrvatske i u to vrijeme da prijeđe u Bosnu i Hercegovinu, pa da ga onda uhiti EUFOR, ja mislim da se i sada nešto slično dogodilo. Sklopljen je neki deal između njega, šefa POA-e Tomislava Karamarka i glavnog državnog odvjetnika Mladena Bajića. Oni su mu, vjerojatno, preko nekih posrednika, sugerirali da napusti Hrvatsku tamo krajem ljeta. Vjerojatno je nekakvim obećanjima bio uljuljkan dok se dao tako lako uhititi na Kanarima. Znam samo da je cijelo ovo vrijeme šef POA-e Tomislav Karamarko bio u kontaktu s jednim od njegovih odvjetnika Ivom Farčićem. A znam isto tako pouzdano da se general Gotovina nikome od tih odvjetnika, pa čak ni vlastitoj ženi nije javio sad iz Madrida. Javio se samo jednom jedinom povjerljivom prijatelju, čije se ime ne navodi u svim ovim natpisima do sada o tome na koji je način POA pomogla u uhićenju Gotovine.

RFE:
Da rezimiramo. Dakle, Vi smatrate da je hrvatska država čitavo vreme bila u kontaktu sa generalom Gotovinom i da je, zapravo, u jednom momentu došlo do situacije kada je trebalo doći do hapšenja i to se onda dogodilo na Kanarskim ostrvima.

PERATOVIĆ:
Da, ja to smatram. Evo, recimo, 2003. godine, kad je rađen onaj poznati interview sa Gotovinom, predsjednik tadašnjeg saborskog Odbora za unutarnju politiku i nacionalnu sigurnost Ante Markov je izjavio da je "situacija pod kontrolom" i da su hrvatske tajne službe u kontaktu sa Gotovinom. To je bio najbolji argument Carli del Ponte da vrši ovaj pritisak na Hrvatsku zbog nesuradnje. Tada se dogodila ona afera sa prisluškivanjem nas novinara i tako dalje. Kasnije smo imali slučajeve Jure Kapetanovića, kontrolora letova iz Belgije, koji je bio u misiji pregovaranja sa Gotovinom u Hercegovini. Pa smo onda imali dolazak generala Ante Rose, bivšeg legionara kojeg se spominje kao jednog od najvažnijih Gotovininih logističara kod ministrice Škare-Ožbolt u misiji nekog pregovaranja između Gotovine, hrvatske vlade i Haškog suda. Po mojim spoznajama, Roso je bio kod ministrice i to tako što je premijer Sanader nagovorio ministricu da ga primi. Ja stvarno iskreno vjerujem u to, i mogu to utemeljiti na raznim dokazima i indicijama, da su hrvatske vlasti čitavo vrijeme znale gdje je on. Bojale su ga se uhititi u Hrvatskoj da ne izazovu neke nemire, jer su aktualne vlasti prije par godina i sudjelovale u stvaranju jednog antidržavnog bunta kad je bilo riječi o slučaju Mirka Norca. Dakle, sada se sa vlasti toga boje. Bojali su se toga da se, recimo, ne dogodi nekakav njegov otpor, da netko ne bude ranjen od policajaca ili sam on, pa da to ne posluži kao povod takozvanoj ekstremnoj desnici za nekakve nedemokratske postupke. Pa je izabrano ovo rješenje da se on udalji s područja Hrvatske i s područja zapadne Hercegovine, gdje je najčešće obitavao. To je, naravno, u skladu i sa dogovorom s Carlom del Ponte, koja je pozitivno mišljenje o hrvatskoj suradnji sa Haškim sudom početkom desetog mjeseca uvjetovala ovim da u dvanaestom mjesecu napokon bude riješeno pitanje Gotovine. Tako da mislim da su se spojile sve te stvari, da su ga hrvatske vlasti imale pod kontrolom i tamo. Ne vjerujem da se baš toliko opustio zato što ga je napustio neki vojnički instinkt i tako dalje. Naprosto je mislio da će biti još jedno vrijeme siguran tamo.

RFE:
Zašto baš sada? Vi ste delimično odgovorili na to pitanje. Naime, ono što je praktično svakom običnom građaninu Hrvatske jasno da je, recimo to tako, za Državu bilo bolje da se to dogodilo proletos ili jesenas, kada je trebalo da počnu oni pregovori o članstvu u Evropskoj uniji. Zbog čega onda sada?

PERATOVIĆ:
Po mojim informacijama, u to vrijeme su Srbija i Crna Gora daleko bolje surađivale sa Haškim tužiteljstvom. Haška tužiteljica je na predzadnjem dolasku u Zagreb, u šestom mjesecu, govorila državnom vrhu: "Srbija će vas preteći". A tada su još postojala čvrsta obećanja da će biti izručeni Mladić i Karadžić. Međutim, u hipu se situacija u Srbiji promijenila, pa su u Srbiji počeli hapsiti bivše ministre umjesto Karadžića i Mladića, i onda je opet Carla del Ponte morala promijeniti odnos prema Hrvatskoj, jer su te stvari naprosto vezane. Vidimo da je sada ona izrekla i ovu vijest o Gotovini dok je bila u Srbiji, dakle to je bila jedna sinkronizirana akcija između nje, Hrvatske i španjolskih vlasti i onog tko je već sudjelovao u tome da bi, naprosto, mogla reći – evo, vidite što je Hrvatska učinila, sada ste vi na potezu da učinite isto. Jer, ako srbijanske vlasti nemaju kontakt ili ne znaju gdje su Karadžić i Mladić, onda ih se to ne bi ni trebalo ticati.

RFE:
Da li mislite da se isti taj princip koji je, po Vama, postojao u Hrvatskoj, može preneti i na Srbiju i da vlada Vojislava Koštunice takođe komunicira sa ključnim beguncima, Karadžićem i Mladićem, da zna gde su oni i da se praktično čeka, iz nekih unutrašnjih razloga, trenutak kada će se učiniti ono što se učinilo i u ovom slučaju, i onda objaviti da je ta osoba iza rešetaka?

PERATOVIĆ:
Ja mislim da je to apsolutno isti scenarij. Pošto je riječ isto o donedavnim nacionalistima koji su se protivili suradnji sa Hagom, a sad su se odjednom pretvorili u jako kooperativne nosioce vlasti u svojim zemljama, dakle ovdje Sanader, tu Koštunica i Tadić, mislim da će se stvari odvijati apsolutno po istom obrascu. Tako da mislim da su stvari dosta slične što se toga tiče, oko rješavanja problema Gotovine, Karadžića i Mladića na ovim prostorima, zatvaranje te haške priče.

RFE:
Ovo sve što se dogodilo protekle sedmice u vezi s generalom Gotovinom, nas "obične novinare", koji se bavimo nekim širim spektrom tema, iznenadilo je. Pretpostavljam da je iznenadilo i nekakvu običnu, širu javnost, kako u Hrvatskoj, tako i u ostalim državama regije i šire. Vi, ipak, to na drugi način posmatrate, Vi se time na drugi način bavite, Vi ste ušli u srž nekih problema. Pretpostavljam da su i u ovom slučaju postojali neki znaci, neki signali na osnovu kojih ste možda i Vi mogli pretpostaviti šta će se dogoditi. Šta bi mogli biti ti signali koje bismo mi, obični smrtnici, da to tako kažem, mogli opaziti i da nam to bude signal da se nešto slično sprema recimo Karadžiću i Mladiću? Ili pak, mislite da nema nikakve šanse da mi nešto takvo spazimo, jer bio onda čitava akcija bila dovedena u pitanje?

PERATOVIĆ:
Naravno, to je malo teže uočiti za ljude koji se time ne bave sustavno. Naprosto, morate znati i koje su novine bliske kojoj vlasti ili kojoj tajnoj službi, pa iz toga iščitavati signale što će se događati. Ali ja mislim da će se sada, nakon ovoga što se dogodilo sa Gotovinom i nakon tog nastupa Carle del Ponte u Beogradu vrlo brzo krenuti jedna serija napisa i u Srbiji i Crnoj Gori oko Karadžića i Mladića, što će sasvim pouzdano biti znak da se sad stvarno nešto događa tamo. Naravno, na koji način će to biti prezentirano, to je sasvim nešto drugo. To će se onda morati stvarno odgonetavati....

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
Saturday, 10th December 2005

Theme of the week:

Gotovina case: Is arrest of Mladic following?

Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic

Srdjan KUSOVAC

Why Ante Gotovina is arrested right now? What perceded that? Was operation prepared together intelligence services of several countries including Croatia?is it realistic to expect strengthening of pressure on Serbia? Why would now to Serbia could match arrestment of Ratko Mladic? Is it possible based on some external signes and signals predict possible coming operations?...

Zeljko Peratovic is Croatian journalist who is following for years work of intelligence community in his country. Because he wasn't affraid to say his opinion or because he was publishing something that shouldn't be published, once time he lost his job in state's «Vjesnik».

Peratovic says for Radio «Slobodna Evropa» that he thinks that exactly during September to Ante Gotovina was